Isn’t that N.I.C.E.

Isn’t that N.I.C.E?

From “Primary Source” commenter “Grumpy Student”:

By the way, anyone who wants to read all about the body set up to ration healthcare in the UK only needs to look up the Wikipedia entry for “NICE”, the National Institute of Clinical Excellence (good name) whose job it is to determine which treatments the NHS will offer based on a cost effectiveness metric. The good thing about this policy (from their point of view) is that patients denied treatment usually die before any court case completes.

It’s important to understand that money the individual has paid in taxes towards healthcare becomes “public money” and therefore they have no right to expect it to be used for their treatment. Therefore the decision becomes “is this treatment in the public interest or could we spend this money doing something else?” not “what are the patient’s needs/is this patient entitled to the treatment?”.

The reason they strike you off if you pay for the treatment yourself is that doing so is seen as using financial wealth to obtain a better standard of care than generally available which is contrary to the philosophy of the NHS (I kid you not).

In the NHS, maintaining socialist dogma is more important than patient care.

Now, go read Neo-neocon’s story of her experience dealing with chronic pain, and what the National Health Service’s National Institute of Clinical Excellence is now, for economic reasons, recommending for people in its system with similar problems.

Then tell me again why nationalized health care is such a rush?

“Single-Payer” Health Care from a Primary Source

“Single-Payer” Health Care from a “Primary Source

Commenter “Grumpy Student” left the following comment to the post On Health Care. Around these parts, Grumpy Student is what’s known as a “Primary Source.” His comment is today’s Quote of the Day:

Living as (I currently do) in the UK, I find the debate about socialised healthcare in America pretty funny. Especially when the NHS (our nationalised healthcare system) is so appallingly bad. Even funnier is when the NHS is held up as some great example of how things should be done.

Some truths about the NHS:

1) If your treatment is considered “not an emergency” (by which I mean you are not gushing blood or whatever) you will go onto a very long waiting list.

2) Because of 1) the government got snappy and decided to set targets for waiting list times. Hospital managers came up with a novel solution: Secret waiting lists to get onto waiting lists. This meant they didn’t have to improve care, but the governments figures improve. Everyone who matters is happy. In the NHS, patients don’t matter.

3) Killer hospital acquired infections like MRSA are endemic in NHS hospitals.

4) NHS accountants make decisions about what treatments are worth spending money on. If the accountants decide your treatment isn’t financially worth it, tough luck. You can always go private.

5) Which brings us to private healthcare in Britain. In order to make up for their horrifyingly low salaries, most doctors also are involved in private practice. If you choose to go private, you still have to pay for the NHS. Not only are you paying for your care, but also for care other people are not really getting. It’s a fantastic system!

6) If you are struck by 4) and decide to pay for the treatment, then you are struck off the NHS with immediate effect and expected to pay for all your healthcare for issues related to the one you are paying for. You are still charged for the NHS through your taxes – you just can’t use it. If the condition you have is terminal then it’s likely that all the health issues you have will be related and you will have to pay for all of them.

These last two points conspire against the middle classes. Because taxes are so high, they can’t afford to also pay for private healthcare and so get worse healthcare than they would in the US. The poor get some healthcare which is better (I guess) and the rich can happily pay for private healthcare and the NHS at the same time. If they pay taxes in the UK at all.

7) Healthcare is not even free. I still have to pay for prescriptions, dental care, eye care and many other things that the NHS accountants have deemed non-essential.

You don’t want socialised healthcare in the US. Trust us. We live in Britain.

Of course, this wouldn’t happen here. We’d have the Right People in charge!

Government Health Care

Government Health Care

Military Medical Mistake Disfigures Local Airman

Jessica Read is still stunned about what happened to her husband. “It’s very hard for us to understand.”

Last week, 20-year-old Colton Read, who grew up in Arlington and who’s now in the U. S. Air Force, went to have laparoscopic surgery to remove his gall-bladder at David Grant Medical Center at Travis Air Force Base near Sacramento.

His mother, Shelly Read-Miller says he wasn’t worried. “He said ‘Mom, this is routine, it’s no big deal.'”

But what happened during surgery turned out to be a very big deal.

Jessica Read says around 10 a.m., about an hour into the procedure, “A nurse runs out, ‘We need blood now,’ and she rounds the corner and my gut feelings is, ‘Oh my God, is that my husband?'”

She says his Air Force general surgeon mistakenly cut her husband’s aortic artery, but waited hours to transport him to a state hospital which has a vascular surgeon. “It took them until 5:30 to get him to UC Davis. I don’t understand.”

Because Read lost so much blood during that time, doctors had to amputate both legs. His mother sobbed, “I watched him take his first steps, and now his legs are gone.”

“Disfigures”? Disfigures? If they’d left a scar on his face, that would be “disfiguring.” THEY TOOK HIS LEGS.

But that’s not the worst part:

Read’s wife says the doctor admitted it was human error. “All my husband ever wanted to do was to deploy, all my husband ever wanted to do was serve his country. He used to tell me when we had flyovers and they played the national anthem, the chills he would get from the pride that he felt from being an American airman, and this is something an Air Force doctor has taken from him.”

But because of an old federal law called the Feres Doctrine, Read, his wife, and his family members can’t sue the military over what happened to him.

Now, when the .gov takes over the $2.3 trillion in annual health expenditures, what do you want to bet one way they’ll eventually attempt to limit costs will be by limiting patient’s right to sue for malpractice?

Now I’ll state right up front that I sincerely believe that tort law needs to be reformed, and it’s long overdue, but there are cases such as this one where the patient MUST be compensated. This young man went in for gall bladder surgery, and came out missing his legs. He now faces months of rehabilitation, prosthetics, and a lot of pain, plus he’s out of his job, facing medical retirement on about half of his current $1,600 monthly income.

But the government cannot be held responsible.

And Obama and company want to foist upon us a system that will, sooner or later, be just like this.

It’s Not Just John Stossel

It’s Not Just John Stossel

PJTV’s Steven Crowder does some undercover investigation of Canada’s much-vaunted (by Democrats) socialized health care system. And, being on the web, his report can be ten times longer than ABC would allow. The results should enlighten you:

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If you’re a human being in Canada and you want a blood test, you’d better have your own physician, because the walk-in clinics won’t do it, and the hospital emergency rooms won’t do it, you have to have a personal doctor for such tests as cholesterol or a PSA (prostate cancer screening). If you don’t have a doctor? You get to wait 2-3 years, as Stossel illustrated.

But They MEANT Well

But They MEANT Well!

Back in 1976 I was only 14 years old so my memory of this is non-existent, but perhaps some of my readers would remember it better. In ’76 there was another Swine Flu scare, and the .gov decided that it was imperative that everyone in the country be vaccinated. Tens of millions were.

Some developed side-effects that varied from mild, to permanently crippling, to deadly. Here’s a 60 Minutes segment on it from (I assume) 1979:

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Now, let’s get the pertinent parts correct: According to the 60 Minutes piece there was no pandemic. The vaccine given had not been tested, though the documentation given to the patients said it had. The forms the patients signed did not inform them of the (very slight) possibility of adverse reactions to the vaccinations. The government broadcast various “scary” and “everyone is doing it” commercials to convince people to get the shots, even going so far as to lie about who had received innoculations. Now in 1976 the .gov could only encourage, cajole, and browbeat people into getting vaccinated, and they weren’t above lying even back then. Now? Who knows? This time there really is a pandemic, though its lethality is still in question. If people start dying this time, what will the reaction be in Washington?

(Found at Dvorak Uncensored)

A “boiling pit of sewage and death and destruction.”

I was going to respond to this comment by reactive target Markadelphia a couple of days ago, but I discovered I didn’t need to. John Stossell, one of the few in the legacy media who doesn’t qualify as a “gerbilist” already has:

“Better” Health Care?

by John Stossell

President Obama says government will make health care cheaper and better. But there’s no free lunch.

In England, health care is “free” — as long as you don’t mind waiting. People wait so long for dentist appointments that some pull their own teeth. At any one time, half a million people are waiting to get into a British hospital. A British paper reports that one hospital tried to save money by not changing bedsheets. Instead of washing sheets, the staff was encouraged to just turn them over.

Wow. That sounds . . . sterile. Then there was the recent case of a British patient in hospital for an abscess on her neck who took it upon herself to clean the ward she was in because it was filthy.

Obama insists he is not “trying to bring about government-run healthcare”.
“But government management does the same thing,” says Sally Pipes of the Pacific Research Institute. “To reduce costs they’ll have to ration — deny — care.”

Like the New Zealand hospital for all intents and purposes told a Samoan family that they should let their deformed newborn daughter die, and denied her care. The government went so far as to deny her a visa to travel to where she could get care. That child eventually did get to the U.S. for treatment, and has now returned home, still alive.

There’s a difference between having the government insist on denying care, and the family making that decision. That difference is who’s paying.

“People line up for care, some of them die. That’s what happens,” says Canadian doctor David Gratzer, author of “The Cure”. He liked Canada’s government health care until he started treating patients.

“The more time I spent in the Canadian system, the more I came across people waiting for radiation therapy, waiting for the knee replacement so they could finally walk up to the second floor of their house.” “You want to see your neurologist because of your stress headache? No problem! Just wait six months. You want an MRI? No problem! Free as the air! Just wait six months.”

As others have noted, in 2005 (the most recent data I’ve been able to find) Canada had 5.5 MRI scanners per million population, and 11.3 CAT scan machines per million. The U.S. had at that time 27 and 32 per million population, respectively. Canada’s are still backed up for months. Here you can get an elective “heart-saver” CT scan for about $100, usually within a couple of days of calling to make the appointment.

Greedy bastards.

These machines are quite expensive, but you’ll note that our hospitals generally have them. Canada’s, not so much.

Polls show most Canadians like their free health care, but most people aren’t sick when the poll-taker calls. Canadian doctors told us the system is cracking. One complained that he can’t get heart-attack victims into the ICU.

In America, people wait in emergency rooms, too, but it’s much worse in Canada. If you’re sick enough to be admitted, the average wait is 23 hours.

“We can’t send these patients to other hospitals. Dr. Eric Letovsky told us. “Every other emergency department in the country is just as packed as we are.”

In the UK they decided to DO SOMETHING about long ER waits – they enacted a rule mandating that patients be seen within four hours of entering the ER.

Essentially, the government rejected our reality and substituted its own.

One response? Keep patients waiting in ambulances outside the ER, so the clock doesn’t start. Another? Rush patients through the ER in order to meet the standard.

At least one doctor has saidSome patients may have died as a result. I don’t think there’s any question about that.”Australia is having problems with long ER waits as well. They followed the Mother Country’s lead.

More than a million and a half Canadians say they can’t find a family doctor. Some towns hold lotteries to determine who gets a doctor. In Norwood, Ontario, “20/20” videotaped a town clerk pulling the names of the lucky winners out of a lottery box. The losers must wait to see a doctor.

Ronald Reagan warned in 1961 what socialized medicine would lead to:

First you decide that the doctor can have so many patients. They are equally divided among the various doctors by the government. But then the doctors aren’t equally divided geographically, so a doctor decides he wants to practice in one town and the government has to say to him you can’t live in that town, they already have enough doctors. You have to go some place else. And from here it is only a short step to dictating where he will go.

How long before the Canadian government decides that this will be a good idea?

Shirley Healy, like many sick Canadians, came to America for surgery. Her doctor in British Columbia told her she had only a few weeks to live because a blocked artery kept her from digesting food. Yet Canadian officials called her surgery “elective.”

“The only thing elective about this surgery was I elected to live,” she said.

It’s true that America’s partly profit-driven, partly bureaucratic system is expensive, and sometimes wasteful, but the pursuit of profit reduces waste and costs and gives the world the improvements in medicine that ease pain and save lives.

“[America] is the country of medical innovation. This is where people come when they need treatment,” Dr. Gratzer says.

“Literally we’re surrounded by medical miracles. Death by cardiovascular disease has dropped by two-thirds in the last 50 years. You’ve got to pay a price for that type of advancement.”

Canada and England don’t pay the price because they freeload off American innovation. If America adopted their systems, we could worry less about paying for health care, but we’d get 2009-level care — forever. Government monopolies don’t innovate. Profit seekers do.

We saw this in Canada, where we did find one area of medicine that offers easy access to cutting-edge technology — CT scan, endoscopy, thoracoscopy, laparoscopy, etc. It was open 24/7. Patients didn’t have to wait.

But you have to bark or meow to get that kind of treatment. Animal care is the one area of medicine that hasn’t been taken over by the government. Dogs can get a CT scan in one day. For people, the waiting list is a month.

So not quite a “boiling pit of sewage and death and destruction,” but there’s definitely some death there, some sewage, and I’m sure some destruction. And Fido and Fluffy get more prompt, more complete care than their human masters – and the only difference is who pays, and who makes the care decisions. Governments making decisions about who should live and who shouldn’t, rather than the patients or their families, because government is paying the bills – with the money they extort from those patients and their families, unless those patients and their families don’t actually, you know, pay taxes.

And innovation? Forget it. Directors Czars of Government programs aren’t interested in risk-taking.

UPDATE: Irons in the Fire links to this story you ought to read: Chickenpox Boy Died After Hospital Release

Here’s a taste:

Fabio Alves-Nunes suffered multiple organ failure after a severe reaction to the illness.

His death was the result of a series of “significant failings” by East Surrey Hospital in Redhill, an independent report said.

(My emphasis.) Here’s the kicker, a photo of the boy on the day the hospital initially RELEASED HIM:

Read the whole thing. Then tell me you don’t want to kill someone.

Is that enough “sewage and death and destruction” for you?

Here are some more “associated stories”:

‘Whistleblowers Ignored By NHS Managers’

‘Lives At Risk Due To NHS Target Culture’

‘Hospital Equipment Cleaned In Bathrooms’

And, of course:

‘Shocking’ £350m NHS Consultancy Bill Slammed’

The key graph from that one:

Some £273m of the money spent was not related to patient care, said RCN chief executive Peter Carter.

He added that was the equivalent of 330 fully-staffed 28-bed medical wards, 9,160 experienced staff nurses or 267,647 bed days in an intensive baby care unit.

(My emphasis again.) Hey, it’s not like it’s real money or something . . .

UPDATE:  The original JSKit/Echo comment thread is available here, thanks to John Hardin.

Quote of the Day

Quote of the Day

Excerpted from the Investor’s Business Daily op-ed Canada’s Single-Prayer Health Care, and no, that’s not a typo.

In 2007, a Canadian woman gave birth to extremely rare identical quadruplets — Autumn, Brooke, Calissa and Dahlia Jepps. They were born in the United States to Canadian parents because there was again no space available at any Canadian neonatal care unit. All they had was a wing and a prayer.

The Jepps, a nurse and a respiratory technician flew from Calgary, a city of a million people, 325 miles to Benefit Hospital in Great Falls, Mont., a city of 56,000. The girls are doing fine, thanks to our system where care still trumps cost and where being without insurance does not mean being without care.

It must be embarrassing to Canada that a G-7 economy and a country of 30 million people can’t offer the same level of health care as a town of just over 50,000 in rural Montana. Where will Canada send its preemies and other critical patients when we adopt their health care system?

I strongly advise you to READ THE PIECE. It has some interesting information which I was completely unaware of.

Well, That Wasn’t So Bad

Well, That Wasn’t So Bad

My first root canal was this morning. My gum’s a little tender where the needle went in (and in, and in) for the anesthetic, but other than that, no real discomfort. All I’ve taken all day is a couple of Motrin. I can even bite down on my left side with no problem. I was in the chair for about 90 minutes as the doctor had a little trouble finding the roots (very deep in the tooth), but it all came out OK (no pun intended.)

The stock market decline has been more painful for me than this damned tooth.